On Mario Batali, J.K. Rowling and “cancel culture” (PODCAST E45)
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Dude, I agree with almost everything (I do think Rowling should get grace, it was kinda sudden). But also, your way of speaking is a bit biased in terms of tone and separating opinion and fact.
Why not just get rid of men's and women's sport categories then? I also think that saying adults don't need to act with grace because they are marginalized or oppressed is insulting to them, and is a way communicating your perceived superiority to them
Pls nvr say tr—y ever again. That word can be highly triggerin to us trans ppl and even in this context where it was clear you were deridin it… It still hit me like a truck.
A better way to phrase it wudve been "What kind of T-slur jokes" instd of sayin the actual word. The only ones who can say that word are ppl who are out livin a trans life and dealin with the trans exp, and even then its only allowed in reclamatory ways. If another trans person said that word in a pejorative way around me, id at a minimum call them in on it and if they refuse to listen and learn; id leave and just not talk to them ever again
Pls think of the T-slur in the same way you thibk of racial slurs, which i know you wud nvr think it okay for you to repeat unless theyre slurs that have been slung at Italian-Americans like yourself.
@bingingwithbabish
I personally feel that anyone who cancels someone for having a differing opinion about changing how we have addressed people for hundreds of years is the HATEFUL person. Our politics of division has created a culture that makes it okay to hate people we don't agree with. That is the evil thing, not the person who refuses to make every change some group thinks they should make.
This is pretty much exactly what I tell the zero people who listen to me about this, down to the ST:TNG hypothetical.
I too thought this splendid; well done! I've had a lifelong uncomfortable relationship with my love for Wagner, who wrote splendid music but was a louse in life.
Adam, as a trans woman. I don't demand 100% right, but I do demand to not be attacked, openly mocked by politicians, or outright prevented from living my life
Adam,
As a trans woman, I'll admit I was nervous to listen to this one, based on the title. I found it pleasing, however, to hear a very measured take.
And on the topic of whether or not people should play that game or whether it means they're hateful too, I'll paraphrase Jessie Gender: playing that game doesn't necessarily make someone a bigot, but it does mean that they care more about their own entertainment than they do about the real harm Rowling is causing
Every case is different! I feel sometimes the cancellation is too much punishment for the crime! But some insane republicans definitely deserve it and are still working in DC
Which cancelled podcaster is he talking about?
I’m curious how you feel about these topics in regards to the “culture war”. I’m convinced that the majority of this has and always will be fueled by political and business interests to stoke division and keep us engaged, and the tendency of people to show the absolve worst version of themselves on the internet…and that’s not even getting into the very real possibility of someone online being a bot. Meet anyone in real life, and 99 percent of the time they’re going to be polite and understanding, regardless of your background or how you identify, if you show them the same courtesy.
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I would have rather heard a smarter take, like:
"To be absolutely clear, I am not touching the Wizard Game. I will not be using whatever influence I have to directly or indirectly send attention, validation or money to one of the richest, most powerful anti-LGBT voices in the world. Being an LGBT ally is more important to me." -MATN 2023
Please watch the contra points video on this topic, she has a far better understanding of this topic than our fav foodtuber…
All the dudes could camp, you say?
This is so interesting and so well said and includes so many things I did not know!!! I love it, I love you adam and the way you deliver all this info, cooking or history. I thank you. Like you I am sure its not new. As you say – it is a spectrum!
I'm surprised to see such positive feedback. I'm sure this content is great, but I'm not really motivated to watch a straight man talk about cancel culture and transgender people for an hour.
I refuse to support laws that enable sexual abusers.
if you have issue with that, then ask yourself why you feel CIS women do not deserve rights.
That was spectacular
22:25 "I think a lot of trans people might have identified as gay 20 or 30 years ago as that was the only socially acceptable category available to them" THAT'S ME RIGHT THERE, thank you SO MUCH for saying this.
So I agree with about 90% of what was said here. I think some points need a little more nuance, and I take issue with a non-trans person using the slur "tranny", even as an example of what not to say, but overall I agree and I appreciate you for making this episode.
However something you didn't bring up and has only been mentioned a couple times in the comments is the game's blatant antisemitism. As a Jewish trans person, this affects me more than others. The plot of the game involves quelling a goblin uprising. Goblins and imagery of antisemitic caricatures have been tightly interwoven since at least the 30s, possibly much earlier. Additionally, the goblins in the Harry Potter universe canonically: control the banks, are considered greedy and selfish, hold themselves apart from wizarding society including withholding their riches, have hooked noses, dark and shifty eyes and clever fingers, all of which are lifted straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I could go on. Taken in isolation, each one of these traits could be dismissed as coincidence, but put all together, it's abundantly clear what image they're meant to evoke.
In the game it is also a plot point that the goblins are kidnapping wizarding children. This is a clear reference to blood libel, a centuries-old antisemitic conspiracy theory where Jews were often accused of kidnapping and then murdering christian children for their blood. This led to many, many riots, pogroms and massacres throughout history and is an extremely old and potent antisemitic trope.
I think it's extremely telling that the objective of the game is to quell an uprising of antisemitic caricatures and "put them in their place". There is even an item in the game that is very reminiscent of a shofar, a rams horn that is an important Jewish religious artifact.
Also the final nail in the coffin is that one of the lead designers was outed as an alt right pro-gamergate bigot. He even has a youtube channel dedicated to it. He was kicked off the team after public backlash, but very late in the production process and evidently much of his contributions are still in the game.
So yeah I don't think people who play the game, or even buy it, are bad people. In my experience there isn't such thing as a bad or good person. There are just people and people can do things that are good and things that are bad. And I think supporting jk monetarily is an action that does harm and is therefore bad. But even if people want to just play the game without contributing to jk's genocidal crusade, they should do research beforehand and be aware of the tropes and stereotypes and consume the media critically. Honestly it's probably best to just not play the game at all, but if you must, do so responsibly.
Would love someone of your eloquence and intellect to debate (discuss even?) someone like Steven Crowder on this topic.
– JK Rowling is as far removed from the project as possible. Warner Bros has denounced her statements publicly. The makers of the game have stated they made this game for and wanted to be inclusive of everyone.
– You can be trans in the game, and there is an openly trans character painted in a great light.
– Yes, JK Rowling will make money from this game, but she is already a billionaire and would not suffer financially from the failure of this game. The studio, and all of their employees could however, which includes those from marginalized groups.
– Are we vetting every corporation we make transactions with? Do you research all of the executives of every restaurant or store you go to before giving them your money? I would say that almost every corporation is plagued by individuals who are problematic to say the least, it would be almost impossible to avoid unfortunately.
– If you are openly supportive of trans rights in every other aspect of your life, playing a game based on a world that was a huge part of your childhood as far removed from the problematic creator as possible does not make you evil or transphobic. If the game perpetuated her awful views of trans people, then absolutely it should have been boycotted, but it does the exact opposite.
man i love humans
After seeing binging with babish willingly take sponsorship money from the TERF game, I very much appreciate that you are using your platform to be an ally and denounce transphobia.
You're doing God's work, Adam.
This is a wonderfully nuanced and insightful way to think about things. I appreciate how you foresaw arguments and counterpoints from all sides, and find it unusually brave for someone with your audience size to acknowledge the grayness in a lot of things people are expected to take for granted, while still holding on to some principles, and never indulging in bad faith. There are pieces I don't agree with, and that's what I also love about this. A lot to think about.
As a gay man, I've already loved your cooking videos, but this just absolutley makes my respect for you go through the roof. If more people were like you, the world would objectively be a better place. You don't have to be a perfect morally pure "saint" to be a good person, you can make mistakes and fuck up here and there, but you've learned from those mistakes and grew as a person and it absolutley shows.
This was great, thanks adam