Iron Flame, Victorian Dime Novels, & the “Fast Fashion” Problem in Publishing 🤦🏻♀️
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Side eyes the omid scobie Dutch translation 😂😅 mistakes happen.
things to know for future videos:
– b&n was declining and borders was gone, but independent bookstores have been on the rise for the past few years! where people shop is shifting overall.
– so you can be hired to write a novel the same way you can write a nonfic book on partial. it's called IP, or intellectual property. you're asked to apply with a chapter sample or two and then are hired at a much lower rate to write the full book, whose idea was generated by the publisher. scholastic does this a lot for original content, for instance; and pretty much any tie-in novel for a larger entity (d&d, marvel, etc.) is an IP book.
really enjoyed the video!
All of this is precisely why self publishing becoming more accessible is absolutely the best thing that could happen.
I am also always there in the shadows watching.
There are so many awesome points in this video. I’m so frustrated about the judgement of what others enjoy reading, and also judgement about people not reading… ergh. If there was a real impact on an industry/the environment a la fast fashion, it might be worth a conversation, but really I swear half the people that moan about this stuff are just salty they’ve never been able to write a book/get published because of course theirs would be the next great gift to literature.
Love you Abby, have a wonderful festive season xx
Sing it Sister! I'm an author and if I had a dime for every time someone made a comment about the fact that I write romance fiction, (one of the male doctors I work with was absolutely scandalized that I write books that have sex in them LOL) well I'd be able to quit my day job. Thanks for another awesome video! 🙂
But oxford commas lend much needed clarity! How could they be so vile?
I congratulate you for the high quality videos you produce, especially this one. The extensive research is evident and your work as always is very high quality. Thank you for defending authors and for describing the process of publishing. Good luck with your work.😊
It's always amusing to me when people try to pretend that women weren't writing and reading novels from the start. I thought that was part of the moral panic about novels in the first place
If we are getting people reading and the publishers are making things right, I’m considering things a win. Let TikTok influence book buying. People addicted to books is a good thing even if they’re not “classic literature”
I happily read all this stuff. But I’m also a voracious consumer of AO3…you referencing ao3 tickled me 😊😅
Not to be rude but I feel like you missed the point of the “fast fashion” criticisms. And finger wagging to people by saying “you don’t understand how publishing works” to dismiss the these growing critiques against the industry is pretty condescending.
So I studied theatre with a focus on Shakespeare because apparently wanted to major in the most useless thing possible. Actually it was because I have cerebral palsy and I learned at an early age if I always show that I am quite smart I have a better chance of being treated like a real person. Also I really love Shakespeare, that being said I love fanfiction. I love that we do have a way to escape because sometimes we really that. I love your videos thank you for your work.
ooh yeah, I took a class on 19th century literature at the start of the year and the first section had a heavy focus on the equivalents of dime novels and penny dreadfuls and serialised literature. there was a really good paper I read on it too, I want to read it again now that I'm not under time pressure. there was a very similar response in the uk too, and there was a lot of pushback on serialised literature to do with its 'moral standing', as a lot of the stories featured something considered 'immoral'. which tbh, I don't think those pushing back knew how to critically think, because if the story didn't have a conflict in it it wouldn't be a story!
This sounds alot like how the comic book industry started, where they complied newspaper strips, into the "book". I think that's where Charleston Comic started, which then became DC Comics. Pleas fact me.
I really dislike how quickly people are expected to produce just about anything these days – or even in those days. When it comes to writing, I think the speed of production contributes to plagiarism, like what was recently exposed in leftist communities on Youtube. The need to produce a lot of videos consistently in order to train the YouTube AI to recommend content means that people who want to make money don't have time to research and review their material adequately. And it seems like the most unscrupulous people – those who are willing to plagiarize and lie – have the best chances of success. That's not to say that there aren't high quality videos on YouTube or that all writing has to reach a certain level of "respectability," but that a system that demands rapid production allows harmful information and/or behavior to slip through the cracks, whether by accident or on purpose. Writers and other creative people deserve more respect for what they do, and part of that is respecting the time it takes to create something original.
29:43 so once again the evil inherent behind all of it is capitalism and sexism. Great…. T-T
I'm a great lover of big, thick, epic fantasy that takes years to write and has 15 main characters interweaving plotlines over a large world and a dozen books. But it takes commitment to involve yourself in that kind of read. Sometimes it's nice to sit down to a fun book that you can reasonably trust to deliver an entertaining story line with a predictably happy ending in 200 pages.
I actually had to go on Amazon and read the synopsis of Iron Flame to remember that I had read the book. Total masterpiece, obviously 😀
In fairness, the publishing industry's willingness to get behind terrible, problematic fanfic with the serial numbers filed off and then market it aggressively, directly to women does lend itself to believing this idea that bad writing, particularly from women, is being rewarded at a higher rate now than it ever has before. Frustrating to the femme authors that are still working on their writing because they don't want to submit trash, not to mention all the femme authors with other insersectional identities that make being seen in the industry so hard (ya know, cos of racism, homophobia, ableism and all the other joyous reasons).
Go read Raybearer, Redemptor and Iron Widow. THOSE are books worth buying. Besides, they're all going to be adapted into tv and film, so may as well get in on the ground floor. If Netflix does it right, Raybearer will raise their profile ENORMOUSLY. Iron Widow is destined for a film franchise, an actual good one.
Your points on first to second novel are spot on! The hope of the publisher is that after gaining experience in the writing, editing, and revisions on the first book, the author will have increased their skills and critical eye so it will take less time to edit/push through the next novel.
On George R.R. Martin.: He has always been a slow writer. He said before that he wouldn't announce he was writing a book, even to his friends until it was done because he was that slow. The HBO thing simply outpaced his writing speed.
I work at a historical society in the press/publishing department and let me tell you…it’s a ton of work. We do non-fiction and historical fiction children’s books, and I have massive respect for smaller indie publishers. It’s totally a predatory business sometimes, but the work that an author puts into a book is insane.
We getting video game patches for movies AND books now. DANG.
The snobbery part of the video ("weakens the intellect" etc) is the exact tone one of my Literature(!) professors in university explained the concept of the dime novel to us, that they were "trashy books for poor and lower class people, mostly women". The implied classism (and misogyny) in that was obviously lost on him, but since this is the same professor who told us about women regularly fainting because of the torture device that is the corset, we shall take his input with a heap of salt.
Thank you so much for this video. Over the past few months my #4 son and i have talked about turning his "worlds" into books. He is a 15 year old high functioning autistic child with ADHD and mild cerebral palsy. While he scores very high on iq test…because of his other peculiarities more mainstream jobs are not going to work for him. BUT he has AMAZING world building and storytelling abilities. We homeschool so i have been looking into programs that teach writing and if you research publishing…well you will be 2 times more confused. We were talking about really getting down to business after the first of the year chaos ends.. and here you are…
Thank you again.